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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby Lol » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:06 am

Hi George (AKA Watlingboy)
Please can I ask you reconsider your decision not to post anymore on the forum. I am a newbie to the Forum. When I joined I did not own a slot machine. My goal was to purchase a Rol A Top but I knew nothing about the specifications or what to look out for. I went through the Forum archive on Rol A Top's. I found outstanding information from you and Stephane who I consider you to both be experts on Watling's. Of course there was also helpful information from other forum members. I learnt so much. I wanted to purchase a complete Rol with all the bells & whistles (European). I am happy to say that I purchased what I consider to be a beautiful example. It did need a few extra bits and with the knowledge that I learnt on the Forum I was confident enough to purchase the bits to make it complete. I am down to needing just an original Watling back door lock and key and an original Watling tool (handle) for cycling the mechanism when it is out of the cabinet. And once I have found these last items I have a complete Rol. I could not have achieved this without reading your posts. So please do not give up on posting. Your great knowledge on Watling Rol's needs to be shared with others and I am sure that I am not the only one that thinks so!
Best wishes, Lol (Laurence)
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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby Anglobritish » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:02 am

3. Chris Davis with the last Polk Figure in operation.jpg
Freddy with Ron Brookes.jpg
Me with my Polk Figures 001.jpg
2. Frank Polk Story-2 001.jpg
Chris Davis Frank Polk Collection-4 001.jpg
Hi Guy's,
The comments from two of the top professionals in their fields ( WatlingBoy and Swarmi ) is of great interest to me, as I feel the very same about the comments from various members on this Forum. These very few, like Swarmi and Watlingboy says , sometimes just want to see their names amongst the various responses to several subjects that these responders have no clue about and are obviously interjecting only what they have read somewhere else.

I am not an expert on any of these subjects, but I answer various questions from my experience as a businessman in the coin operated machine industry for more than 60 years, I was also fortunate to be a collector in this great hobby during those years. If for instance I wanted to know about the Frank Polk figures of which I owned several during my years of collecting, I would not essitate to contact Chris (Swarmi) in fact Chris as a picture of me with Ron Brooks and a Polk Miner that I bought in 1980, this picture was taken at the that time, or John Herman another knowledgable person on the subject, who have spent many years of research on the subject of the Frank Polk figures, I was lucky enough to meet both John Herman and also Ron Brooks who himself was a very knowledgable person on the subject, when I first got interested in the Frank Polk characters more than 35 years ago.

Regarding Watling, my only Knowledge on this subject was when I researched the company for an article I wrote to celebrate the 50th, anniversary of the Bell-Fruit Manufacturing Company Ltd who had purchased the Watling tooling in the late 1950's, during that research I did talk to people who were actually involved in that purchase.

When I comment on this Forum about any of the various questions put forward, I do it either through my experience as an actual operator and restorer in the early 1960's, or from actual reports and articles reported in the various trade magazines at that time.

Another member of this Forum is Bill Whelan (SlotDynasty) who is with out a doubt the most Knowledgable person on Trade Simulators on the planet. I know for a fact that he was there in the thick of it during the early days of collecting, and wrote many an article on the subject and got his information also first hand.

I get annoyed when some collectors on this forum make such a big thing about a spring on a coin rejector, or the 2nd coin rocker arm on a Mills escalator, during my days of operating or restoring, I removed these items and threw them away, because they caused a problem for an operator in the field. Things like these small items are not that important, it is the same when a collector wants to use these antique machines, they should be restored, but not to be played, when I collected antique machines, I would not allow them to be touched, how many people collect rare objects and constantly handle them, not very many, so you newbies and know-it-alls should leave the answering of questions to the above people who know what they are talking about, one recent question was about wha Bally models was in the Mapes Hotel in Reno in the early 1960's, one Forum member suggested they could be E1000-E2000 models, but could not see the LED on the machine, he would have been better not even commenting as the E models never came out until the 1990's.

I am sure that there will be some snyde comments about my remarks, but who am I , I have only been in the business for 60 odd years on a daily basis, and still manufacture amusement games.

Swarmi, Watlingboy, Slotdynasty, Steppane, Dave I salute you all, the rest of you, look and listen, you might learn the true facts about some of the great collectable machines of times gone by.

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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby kennyb » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:45 am

What a shame to hear some of the long time members and most knowledgeable will not post any more
or are thinking about not posting ,what a terrible loss to the members what look forward to reading
and learning about our passion. I agree it seems there were 3/4 people posting all the time about
nothing, their personal issues and just general BS. I believe Dave said we wouldn't ban any one
I understand that , but is it possible to let these people know the true purpose of the forum and ask them
to keep the post to the discussion of the hobby. I also agree there is no room for nasty comments or personal
attacks on any member.

I would hope that a cooling off period and those in charge find a way to keep the forum as it
has been in earlier times and we don't loose the best of the best and more important the
vast KNOWLEDGE that they were always willing to share.

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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby sam2002 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:46 am

Man ! This place is getting to be a real bummer !
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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby Anglobritish » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:15 pm

My oh My,
You see this is the problem, this idiot is now complaining about this site being "A Bummer", I would strongly suggest people like him should be banned from the site, he is a typical person who only wants Freebies. he certainly is not a real coin machine collector, if nobody is going to be appreciative of the knowledge that is offered on this site, then I do not blame people like watlingboy from withdrawing from responding to the various questions about Watling machines, I suggest that the elder members of this site should not respond to any questions for one month, Slot Dynasty do you hear me, let these unappreciative so called collectors find out the hard way, let them make their mistakes and get stuck with a bunch of junk, we should just respond to genuine members through private messaging.

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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby RameGoom » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:41 pm

Anglobritish wrote:My oh My, You see this is the problem, this idiot is now complaining about this site being "A Bummer", I would strongly suggest people like him should be banned from the site, he is a typical person who only wants Freebie...Freddy Bailey


You need to lighten up, Anglo. Seriously. Relax, and understand that this is the INTERNET and anything goes, even if it doesn't float your boat. You're taking this all too personally. It's your opinion, and we all know what an opinion compares to...

On another thread, to quote your response:

"so you newbies and know-it-alls should leave the answering of questions to the above people who know what they are talking about, one recent question was about wha Bally models was in the Mapes Hotel in Reno in the early 1960's, one Forum member suggested they could be E1000-E2000 models, but could not see the LED on the machine, he would have been better not even commenting"

The above referred to my comment over a picture a forum member posted, asking "Wondering if anyone knows the make and model of this machine? Sorry for the poor pic. Mapes Hotel & Casino".....nowhere did he mention "in the early 1960's" - you added that in your slam - as all I did was note the make was Bally and I wasn't sure about, "Definitely Bally, looks like", the model as it resembled an E series machine, which I pointed out in response to the original posted question. Your opinion that it would have been better not even commenting, not needed here, and is insulting to even us "newbies".

I'm sure many of the members here appreciate your vast knowledge of the industry, but there really is no need to rip a new a$$h0le into the less-than-seasoned collectors out there. It serves no real purpose here.

Off my soapbox for now.
Slowly building a knowledge base on E2000 series Bally machines and J400 Jennings. Started with the antique Mills and Jennings. Getting there...
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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby Dave » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:30 pm

Thanks to everyone who provided information about Baldecchi. I had heard of this name in the past but never really new anything about the company.

Kind of sad that they melted down original Jennings castings to make them but back in the day I assume the old Jennings castings on the machines that were being taken out of service were not of any use so they might as well re-use the aluminum.

On a different note.

Could everyone please lighten up a little bit???

If someone posts a message that has some incorrect information and you know what the correct information is I am sure the original poster and everyone else would appreciate a post with the correct information. That way everyone can learn.

However, when correcting some inaccurate information please be civil.

Remember, this is a community of people who all share the same interests. I want this forum to be an area where people can ask any question or express their opinion freely.

I apologize for taking so long to respond to this thread. I was in a big poker tournament last week (did not cash :cry:) and then had company all week.

I am also in the process of adding a new feature to the forum. I think it is something a lot of you will like. Details to follow later :D

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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby J57T » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:54 pm

A person learns more by listening (reading) than they do by talking (writing), hence my few posts.

I AM LEARNING: This forum is following the same path as the very trade stimulators that we collect: A good idea (trade stimulators/forum) appeals to a market (operators/collectors) that attracts users to a point where a few mob bullies force out the well intentioned businesses (forum resources) and kill the industry/forum that gave us a sanctuary of reliable information and insight without the threat of killing the well intentioned opinions of its members, of varying years and knowledge.

I have made some wonderful connections that have helped me build a nice original collection, directly and indirectly. Those members have a reputation that goes without saying, and without public criticism of the very members seeking their knowledge.
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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby SLOT DYNASTY » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:33 am

1 - Well put Dave, and looking forward to your new Feature.
2 - Yes Freddy, I hear you, and will return your call soon. Family stuff going on.
3 - And to Mr. Mechanic, I will also return your call soon, as well.
4 - Now for the rest of you: watlingboy, anglobritish, swami, mechanic, nvmos, just to name a few, whom contribute
to this Forum on a regular basis, in regards to details on specific machines, Please do not cease your input, just because
of the few that have to lash out on us. Yes, I have also been hammered in the past, but generally try to shrug it off. I have
also been legitimately corrected, which is a plus, because I then learn as well. When I worked with the late Dick Bueschel,
on many of his early book ventures, there were many times that incorrect info was put into print. Mainly because there was
not a vast amount of original manufacturers literature available to us then. As time went on, and more info was collected,
some of the early printings were revised, (including many photos). Dick and I were mailing 'new found info' back and forth,
on a daily basis. I even have complete copies of original drafts, of all of his Trade Stimulator books, for me to look over, and
correct, if need be, before they went to print. The unfortunate example, of which I did not get to look over, because he had
a quick last minute deadline to meet, was his last yellow cover, hard bound, full color, "Trade Stimulators and Counter Games".
There was only a few mistakes I noticed, but worst of all, many machines were left out, both scarce & common alike, which I
knew that he had all the photos and descriptions for, as much of it were things that I had sent him. He didn't realize this, until
it was too late, and said they would be added to a later revised addition. His unfortunate passing has put an end to that story.
As much of his records that I have original, and copies of, are just a fraction of what he had. I know of two other persons that
later got some of his files, but have no idea what might become of them in the future. Neither one of them are current members
of this Forum. I am only interested in retrieving info that I have always specialized in, which is all the Victorian Uprights, early
cast iron machines, and all Trade Stimulators.

In addition to all our regular specialized contributors, I can just imagine what this Forum would be like, if we still had many of
our past experts, to the tune of: Dick Bueschel, and Stan Harris, (everything coin-op), Bill Enes, (Vending), Phil Waters, (Pace),
Stan Wilker, (Watling), and several others that covered many areas of coin-op.

So, to all you people that like to write about nothing, just to see your name in print, and build up your posting number, please
make a special effort to stop chaste-sizing those that are trying to help both the newbies and seasoned alike. None of us are
perfect, and can occasionally make a mistake, but for the most part we are usually spot-on. If you think one of us is wrong, make
a friendly suggestion, not a persnickety remark. If we start leaving the Forum, then what do you have? Just a bunch of age-old
'Gobble-de-Goup'. If you think that's fun, just keep it up!
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Re: Is this a fake?

Postby SLOT DYNASTY » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:58 am

Oh, and one other thing that I left out on the above:
One person that you DO NOT want to 'piss off', is Freddy Bailey. He threatened to stop posting at one time, because of all the
B.S. comments that were being thrown his way, as well as others. We convinced him to ignore the 'Rif-Raf', and stick with us,
which he has. If he stops posting, We are all going to be on the losing end, of the photos, original fliers, and files, that he so
graciously shares with us, on a regular basis, from his many years in the coin-op industry. Maybe some of you do not read very
well, or thoroughly, as to what he is throwing your way. Rest assured, he is not 'Blowing Smoke'. He knows the game. So LISTEN.!
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