Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

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Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby Rick B » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:42 pm

I have a few of both positions of the Spring tied to the Reserve Jack Pot. My buddy swears there is no such thing as the wrapped around spring tied to the pin with the cotter pin on it. I have two machines from two different people like this. I also have two machines with the long spring which he says is the only correct way. What do you folks see on yours and was there a change at one point for both types of set ups being used??? SPrings are marked as 1 & 2 Thanks,,Rick B

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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby Rick B » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:53 am

I was hoping a few would take some pictures of theirs or check and let me know. Anyone?? Thanks,,Rick B
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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby oldslotman » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:14 pm

Two different set ups.
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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby JPCass » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:49 pm

This may not help much, but it's kind of interesting so I'll post what I've got.

This shows the jackpot on a Mills Extraordinary with a case drilled and slotted for a vender, and holes where it had an OK Vendor patent plate, which I believe dates it to about 1935-38. It's something of a barn find that hadn't had much work done with it and then seems to have sat for a long time, with a swapped out mechanism in it that even has original 1934 World's Fair joke reel strips. As can be seen, it's got a spring that's too long and has been looped - though it looks like it might be the same spring on the left in the picture above that is attached to what seems to be a tab added under a screw.

My old reprint of the folded sheet Service Manual and Repair Parts List illustrated with photos of a War Eagle and its mechanism, looks as if it shows your configuration 2. My bound repro of a later version illustrated with a High Top, shows the long thin spring attached to the tab on the screw, though rotated 180 degrees so that it attaches to the right of the screw head.

The original configuration with the shorter, thicker spring must have had some sort of problem, particularly if they tried to retrofit one of the later-type longer springs to a machine like mine.

I'm literally just about to order a jackpot spring kit from Berten's. Now I'm curious about what spring they provide for this.

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Restored Mills 5c Extraordinary "barn find", long gone - now restoring 1934 5c Extraordinary Gold Award with original World's Fair reel strips
Restoring early Mills 5c Firebird (large coin view window)
About to take on a Mills 5c Vest Pocket
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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby Tree-frog » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:50 am

I cannot make out the first two pictures in the post as they seem to miss part of the jackpot mount points, but I have around a dozen or so spare jackpots and it is a 50/50 split on the two variants already shown. Sega who made them later on seem to follow the long thin spring to the tab point as shown in the top jackpot in below picture.
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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby Tree-frog » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:10 am

While on oddities on jackpots, anyone know what the chute on the back of the below one is for as on one of my machines, I assumed some kind of overflow, but not sure why needed
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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby Aristomatic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:43 am

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Re: Help on position of Jack Pot Spring. two kinds. Pics

Postby mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:33 pm

The last two pics are part of the coin check separating system. If I remember correctly the escalator sensing a check would send it to the jackpot and sensing a coin would go to the bypass on the back directly into the cash box. So if you won the jackpot you were stuck with a pile of useless checks that the machine would not pay out on if you hit any of the smaller amounts. A great system for the operator, he gets all the coins and the customer gets the shaft!!! LOL
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